Reachview Irish Grid TM75 issue

[DFerris]

Hi

Can anyone help me.

I’m having the exact same problem as this post.

Geographic Cords (Lat / Long) Export (CSV) even when a local projection is used

Hi Team, Love the new features in ReachView, local grids and Geiods very handy! Would it be possible to also export the point Lat/Long even when a custom projection has been defined in the survey project. Useful for quality checks etc. and archive. At mo the CSV exports the surveyed cords as projected in project settings. Lat/Long would be good to at end of file. PS The Irish Grid Projection you use (TM75) is probably the ‘older’ transformation mathematics not the ‘new’ Polynomial so there…

When using Irish Grid TM75 and bringing it into our geo-referenced ordnance survey maps the points are about 75metres out on the x & y. If you record in Irish Tranverse Mercator then convert to Irish Grid TM75 with a separate app its seems good.

I have the latest Android app and the Reach RS2 firmware’s up to date.

Thanks

Daryl

[DFerris]

Hi

Just as an update.

I put the EMLID on a bipod and took 5 measurements averaging over 1 minute for both ​IRENET95/Irish Transvese Mercator + Belfast height and TM75/Irish Grid + Belfast height.

I took a measurement with one coordinate system then immediately took a measurement in another coordinate system and moved to the next point and did the same thing.

I also converted the IRENET95/Irish Transvese Mercator set into Irish Grid IG/GM15 with Grid quest. (IGGM looks close to TM75. I could be wrong but ties up to Trimble R10)

Here are the results.

IRENET95/Irish Transvese Mercator + Belfast height

Name Easting Northing Elevation
1 757143.141 876547.097 28.649
2 757147.689 876540.536 28.87
3 757149.087 876534.062 29.203
4 757151.247 876530.267 29.195
5 757159.377 876548.754 28.361

Irish Grid TM75 on reachview

Name Easting Northing Elevation
1 357156.046 376558.559 28.664
2 357160.587 376551.966 28.856
3 357162 376545.497 29.183
4 357164.15 376541.708 29.209
5 357172.284 376560.185 28.356

Coordinates converted to Irish Grid IG/GM15 from IRENET95 with Grid quest

Name Easting Northing Elevation
1 357225.178 376551.338 28.649
2 357229.727 376544.775 28.87
3 357231.125 376538.3 29.203
4 357233.285 376534.504 29.195
5 357241.417 376552.995 28.361

I can send in the original excel sheet if needed.

Thanks

Daryl

[kseniia.suzdaltseva]

Hi Daryl,

Welcome to our community!

Are your georeferenced maps in Irish Grid TM75? Or do you set this system for the points on uploading?

IRENET95/Irish Transvese Mercator + Belfast height

Can you convert these points to Irish Grid TM75 with your converter? This way, we can check the difference with data in the same CS from ReachView 3. Do I get it right that the Irish Grid TM75 points from ReachView 3 you shared are shown improperly on the map?

Also, is there a chance you have a known point in Irish Grid TM75 nearby? If so, please record it with ReachView 3. Checking how much the collected coordinates differ from the known ones is one of the best helpers in locating what’s wrong.

[DFerris]

Hi

The maps are already Georeferenced to Irish grid TM75.

The third set of coordinates are converted from IRENET95 to Irish grid IG/GM15 which is pretty close. But I’m no GIS expert so I’m not 100% sure if its exactly the same. Once I bring the third set into my maps they come in very very close to our Trimble R10 set to TM75.

So you want to compare the 2nd set straight off reachview in TM75 to the third set which is converted from Irish Transverse Mercator to IG/GM15.

I’m unaware of any known points nearby but I’ll have a look.

If I find some I’ll get them recorded. What exact method would you want me to use to record them? Just use Irish Grid TM75?

Thanks for the help.

Daryl

[DFerris]

Hi

I found a Benchmark near me.

Coordinate on our map is 357355.2490, 381855.6000,0.0000 Elevation 4.63

I took three points with Reachview set with Irish Grid TM75 & Belfast lough height. Set to two minutes averaging.

Here are the results.

I took two points with it set to IRENET95/Irish Transverse Mercator & Belfast height. With two minutes averaging.

Hopefully this will give you enough to go on now.

I can upload the original excel and DWG map to you if you want. I can’t attach it here unfortunately.

Thanks

Daryl

[kseniia.suzdaltseva]

Hi Daryl,

Thanks for testing this on a known point! I’ll need a bit more time to look into the data. If I need any additional details for the investigation, I’ll let you know.

[DFerris]

Thanks

[kseniia.suzdaltseva]

Hi Daryl,

As I see, the base’s coordinates are the same for both surveys in Irish Grid TM75 and IRENET95/Irish Transverse Mercator. But ReachView 3 requires a base in TM75 for Irish Grid and a base in IRENET95 for Irish Transverse Mercator.

If your base is not in TM75, please try to set it in this CS in the Base mode. Does the shift persist? In case you’re working with a local NTRIP service, please let me know which CS it uses.

[DFerris]

Hi Kseniia

I’m using trimble vrsnow NTRIP service.

I’m not sure what coordinate system it uses. Would it be standard or change from country to country?

Thanks

Daryl

[kseniia.suzdaltseva]

Hi Daryl,

NTRIP services usually provide corrections in local datums, so they depend on the country. I couldn’t find which datum is used by your VRS service, but you can reach out to them to check it.

[DFerris]

Hi

I’ve had a reply.

It’s uses ITM and Irish Grid co-ordinate systems with both geoid models -
OSGM15_Belfast for NI
OSGM15_Malin for ROI

I’m in NI.

Is this any help?

Thanks

Daryl

[kseniia.suzdaltseva]

Hi Daryl,

I’ve looked into this with our devs, and it appears you’ve caught a transformation issue with TM75. Such situations are extremely rare but can come up since it’s hardly possible to test all CS locally. Still, we constantly check coordinate systems in ReachView 3 to ensure everything works correctly.

Our devs are now researching the situation with TM75 to provide a solution. In the meantime, you can work with a base/NTRIP in IRENET95 and coordinate systems based on IRENET95, such as Irish Transverse Mercator. They should work well.

[DFerris]

Hi Kseniia

I can’t take credit for finding the problem. It was GeoConor from the link in my first post that spotted it.

I only confirmed it hasn’t been fixed, but then he didn’t update you with any of the information you requested.

Hopefully it can be fixed soon. Currently I’m only using the EMLID Reach RS2 to pick up 5-10 GCPS so having to convert the coordinates isn’t too much of a hassle. If fixed I will probably recommend the platform for use within a few other departments within our company. When fixed and after a bit of testing we’d probably buy a few more.

Thanks

Daryl

[kseniia.suzdaltseva]

Hi Daryl,

The research may require additional info from local official institutions, so it can take some time. But I’ll be sure to keep you posted on the news!

[DFerris]

Hi

Any update on this problem?

Thanks

Daryl

[kseniia.suzdaltseva]

Hi Daryl,

We continue the research, but it’s not fixed yet. I’ll write you back once there are any further updates.

[DFerris]

Hi

Have you any update on this issue?

Regards

Daryl

[kseniia.suzdaltseva]

Hi Daryl,

Our devs are still looking into it, so no updates I can share for now. Once there’s news, I’ll post them here.

[kseniia.suzdaltseva]

Hi Daryl,

I’m back with the news – starting with Emlid Flow 9.5, TM75 / Irish Grid (non-legacy) is available in our CS registry. It supports the necessary transformation and should work fine. If you have a chance to try it out, we’d be glad to receive your feedback!